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eupol, uspol 

There was a lot of noise and (at least online) protesting even here in the EU against the Trump wall between Mexico and the USA, but now that EU countries are building walls on their outer borders and are extremely serious about it, I barely see any protest noises, at least not nearly comparable to that of earlier trumpwall protests.

Is the media just silent when it happens at home, or is this really no big deal for euroleftists?

yle.fi/uutiset/3-12083178

eupol, uspol 

@Stoori I've not seen a single piece of media talking about it so I think from your two hypothesis, at least one is correct :/

eupol, uspol 

@Morgane_lapine i've seen some individuals or organisation supporting migrants rights publishing things about this, but yes, nothing but quick notes in mainstream media.

And also, nothing from the big fernch left wing organisations or partys, probably because :
* It's EU so they do not care,
* For electoralist reason, most of them are at least hesitant to go against the current anti-migrant/pro-border mindset, at worst they are fully embracing it :/.

@Stoori

eupol, uspol 

@Stoori a difference in media coverage and visibly acting out by the leaders involved goas a long way towards explaining differences in public awareness.

eupol, uspol 

@Stoori so you're telling me white Europeans especially white leftist Europeans are hypocrites? Hey Colour Me shocked.

eupol, uspol 

@Stoori Wait, Romania isn't part of Schengen? I went through a border checkpoint between Romania and Hungary like 2 weeks ago

eupol, uspol 

@spacekookie Ah, no, the only Schengen border that the map is specifically showing is between Croatia and Slovenia, so from that map you can't tell about the other borders.

eupol, uspol 

@Stoori @spacekookie Croatia isn't in the Schengen area either. They're planning to join it soon, but it's still up in the air as to when

eupol, uspol 

@Stoori i haven't seen anything about this! i only know about that some refugee camps at the greek borders will be having real solid walls. but thanks for informing the EU fedi!

eupol, uspol 

@Stoori EU has been paying Erdo A Shit Ton Of Money ™️ for years to keep the Syrians away and these walls have been in progress for as long, esp. in the Bulgarian border.

On both borders they've been pretty brutal against refugees.

dw.com/en/bulgaria-a-wall-to-w

indianexpress.com/article/expl

Refugees are a litmus test for all so called leftists, most of whom is nationalist hypocrites. Here in Turkey too the supposed left have shown their true colours every time the refugee topic has come up.

eupol, uspol 

@cadadr There were a lot of protests to support refugees in 2015 when Syrians were arriving in big numbers, but after that it's been pretty quiet around that topic and all these walls have been built openly, but no big protests have happened again. And that's the sad part.

The brutal machinery has been more efficient to stop the refugees from getting into the EU, thus people don't see them that much, thus they think there's no big refugee movements at the time, I guess. :(

eupol, uspol 

@Stoori EU has been worse than US in this respect. Many refugees have died and are still dying in Mediterranean because Spain and Italy do not only not help stranded refugees, they persecute those who try to help.

Richer European govts have done all in their power to keep Syrians either out of EU borders, or confine any that can pass to Greece especially. Aegean islands like Lesbos have turned into internment camps.

EU has paid billions of euros to keep >5mln refugees in Turkey.

eupol, uspol 

@Stoori Carola Rackete's arrest by Italians was high-profile, albeit likely long forgotten

truthout.org/articles/captain-

"The German captain of a ship that rescued 53 refugees at sea was arrested Saturday after she attempted to dock at Italy’s Lampedusa port.

Rackete could face up to ten years in prison." (slightly edited)

eupol, uspol 

@cadadr Yeah, there are news reports every now and then about the refugee situation. But the mass movement that mushroomed in autumn 2015 just hasn't happened again, and (white, I assume) EU people, who then rushed to the protests, are now just complacently thinking that the situation must be under control and thus good, or something.

eupol, uspol 

@cadadr @Stoori i guess the charitable explanation is that people are too busy to be outraged about what's happening in the mediterranean to have noticed what's happening on land

the less charitable explanation could be that people no longer give a fuck what's going to happen to syrian, and now afghan refugees, if a wall somehow keeps away Putin

eupol, uspol 

@Stoori first time I hear about these walls. Very well aware of the general sentiment against migrants.

I guess it's easier to point and shake head across the Atlantic than to have a hard look what we're doing in Europe.

eupol, uspol 

@Stoori I've taken part in protests against this, and I know that buses full of activists from Germany went to the Greek-Turkish border to protest there, but it's been a few years. I was still active organising in my hometown back then so it must have been around '16/'17

eupol, uspol 

@anarchiv to be sure, there's no lack of things to protest and in these times of lockdowns active protesting needs extra measures and is not suitable for many, so in a sense I can understand why we don't see much mass movements at the moment.

But the contrast of lots of voicing against US wall and lack of voicing against EU wall is, well, interesting, to put it mildly.

eupol, uspol 

@anarchiv @Stoori I attended a talk from activists who had been to the refugee prison camps on Lesbos around Christmas last year. There are orgs who have people there all the time. Then there are sea rescue vessels all over the mediterranean, as long as they aren't bogged down by bogus legal processes. I agree that more should be done though

eupol, uspol 

@Stoori I had not heard about any of this before seeing this post

eupol, uspol 

@Stoori I haven't heard anything about these walls on the television.

eupol, uspol 

@Stoori

Never heard of it until now ._.

(from France)

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